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what's up everybody happy thursday we

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have a pretty decent show today i think

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it's going to be pretty good we got a mr

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lou elizondo and

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our wednesday now today thursday friend

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jay christopher king i'll bring him in

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quick

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how you doing sir

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hey i'm doing very very well i'm uh

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really um i'm excited to be here for um

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this

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wildly

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unknowable day in a lot of ways you know

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this is this is

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this will probably prove to be

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um one of the pivotal moments of the

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year if not the next few years um it

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remains to be seen it's there's a lot of

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questions in the air today and um i

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can't and we couldn't have known that

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we'd have a guest um with with the

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with the knowledge

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of

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we have today in louis lozando so i'm

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looking forward to this conversation

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yeah uh

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i mean i'm with with ukraine uh my wife

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like her mom is 100 percent uh ukraine

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uh so it's

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it's a little um hitting us a little

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hard in our house right now so um

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hopefully this will you know serve as

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somewhat of a vacation

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uh from how intense that is but um i

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know you can only do so much especially

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when something is so serious like that

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uh but

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you know i'm gonna get rid of the somber

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note and bring uh our guest in right now

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you know i do have somewhat of a

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bone to pick with him

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it's been really irritating me for a

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long time and i'm glad i can finally pin

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what is with the hate on the pineapple

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i'm just kidding you know it's it's not

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hate it's more just a mystery

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you know i i i get that people have

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their own personal preferences but you

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know to me vegetables and meat go on a

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pizza fruit is something you have you

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dinner

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and it's just you know one of those

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things that gets hard for me to get used

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to i have some very good friends of mine

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that are that are pineapple pizza people

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and they're wonderful people right um i

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think they're probably a little bit

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off-kilter but you know hold it against

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them i think

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[Laughter]

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it's just one of those things you know

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um i just i you know for me pineapples

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go in in fruit cocktails and and and

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whatnot

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fruit i bet but those you have a lot of

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i'm sure fruit cocktails

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yeah okay both figuratively and uh

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literally

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i think you know jay sent me a couple

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questions um he's usually more prepared

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than my i am with the questions and

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everything and he had a really great uh

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question his first one

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um so jay i'll i'll give you the floor

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if you want to start with that one

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oh sure

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okay

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and and it's great to meet you lou i i i

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really admire what you've been what

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you've been doing the last years um

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we're meeting on a date

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thanks uh we're meeting on a day that

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may prove to be incredibly consequential

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earlier today russia invaded the ukraine

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and according to news on the ground

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though there they may have already taken

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a major airport in the nation's capital

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and other strategic sites it's difficult

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today for many people to even comprehend

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what the full ramifications of this

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given your history of military service

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your work working the pentagon and the

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reports that your security clearance

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affords you how are you feeling how are

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you reading the news today and what do

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you foresee in the days to come

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sure well jay great great uh great way

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to start a a conversation um obviously

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not uap related uh if i may i'd like to

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just respectfully uh differ slightly

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from from your assertion that today the

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invasion began um in my opinion the

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invasion began quite some time ago

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this is just the beginning of the ground

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forces um putin is is is not stupid

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this is uh this is a chess master this

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um he doesn't do anything haphazardly

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he's always thinking two and three and

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four steps ahead and looking at second

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um i i suspect the invasion began

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further back in time probably it could

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be up towards a year and what i mean by

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that i mean setting up the chess board

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to for for to give him the greatest

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chance of victory that means um doing a

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certain type of cyber activities to make

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sure that if he needs to bring down

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certain uh communication nodes or or

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infrastructure he can do that

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officials and state officials

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probably paying off members of the media

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getting certain uh

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propaganda machines in place

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psychological operations um you know all

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that was done a long time before to

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people look at the news and they see

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that oh there's been some artillery fire

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and and some some activity with with

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small arms fire and aircraft and even

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tanks um that's really just the result

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of of a lot of planning and preparation

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i agree with you i think it's abominable

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think it's a surprise

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and and part of putin's

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putin's actions and reaction is based

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upon our either lack of action or

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inaction um for better for worse uh the

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last 10 years or so

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and this by the way is on both

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conservative and liberal side the

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responsibility the failure

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uh we have failed to recognize some of

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the telltale signs um that this was

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going on um the best and brightest in

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our intelligence community unfortunately

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were distracted with other things and um

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and now uh you know here we are um i

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you know there's a there's a interesting

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uh one of the ancient philosophers had

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asked a uh a very very senior uh general

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once said uh how do you reward your

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greatest generals um and

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the response from from this this leader

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i give my good generals

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i give them uh war bounty and land and

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you know accolades and i i recognize him

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that way but sadly my greatest generals

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i i can't recognize at all

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was why is that if sir they're so great

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he said see my greatest generals are so

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good that that they can win a war

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without every us ever having to actually

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we avoid going to war all together right

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and so therefore there is no way to

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recognize that um you know good generals

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win wars the best generals avoid wars

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i think i think you're absolutely right

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i think it's tragic that we are in this

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um i also fear that other adversaries

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um i think we're coming off the heels of

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20 years of of confrontation whether

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it's afghanistan or iraq or anything in

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i'm not sure that uh it is politically

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ourselves any more than we already have

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i think sanctions and harshly worded

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memorandums only go so far and quite

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frankly i don't think putin gives a damn

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um so we can posture all we want in

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reality there are some adversaries some

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bullies that only respect force

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um and by the way that's just not

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involving you know the ukraine that

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involves uh anybody with a type with a

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mentality of of of trying to to dominate

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uh someone else or conversation or a

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narrative

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um that's really well put and i could i

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could go on this conversation for a

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while with you especially right now

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um i'm sure that the people are here um

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talk about something something else

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related to uab so

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i'll segue into that but i think it's a

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good segue with with how busy our

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intelligence community will be right now

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um you know will the

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different uap studies going on

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throughout the government and and our

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congress and how serious they've been

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taking it will that take a blow will

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yeah i will it'll be a distraction and

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my biggest concern is not so much that

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because we can help try keeping it on

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track with with the work that chris and

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myself and others are doing

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it's for me it's it's the void it's the

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vacuum that

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um you know this this this community the

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ufo community has been plagued with for

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so long it's the charlatans and

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hucksters that will try to fill that

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void that vacuum and try to to to hijack

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a narrative for their own self gain to

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perpetuate their own their own their own

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self value and and that for me is most

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concerning we're seeing it right now um

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and you know unfortunately it is a

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distraction uh but you know it's it's

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it's like a duck

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pecking at your ankles you know it's it

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it's really more annoying than anything

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else the real shame here is not that

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that vacuum is being filled with

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fraudsters and hucksters and by the way

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people who actually have

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criminal records uh for things like

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fraud and identity theft right and in

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some cases being violent against uh

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female counterpart which i think is is

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disgusting and inexcusable

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that truth will will come out and you

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know like always you know people will

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get disillusioned and say oh you

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know these

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these guys are bad news uh the problem

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is is the toll it takes on the community

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because every time people do that

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people follow that even if it's just two

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or three or two or three hundred people

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that's two or three hundred people that

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are being led astray from from from the

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real topic of uap studies and then they

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get disillusioned and then they felt

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disheartened right and it's once again

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this roller coaster ride

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where they're being you know pulled

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whipsawed back and forth by these cults

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of personality

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and unfortunately you know they they

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they haven't done their due diligence

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haven't looked into the background of

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some of these people and they just

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accept what they say is truth and

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without any type of track record

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whatsoever

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um

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so there you have it

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i think it's just people like trying to

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play the opposite side of the field

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right um and that just because it's the

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opposite side of the field doesn't mean

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it's going to be the better or even have

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sense uh involved with it unfortunately

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it's it's so hard for people to take

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things at face value

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i can respect the opposite side of the

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field i i don't mind that i don't mind

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opposition i don't mind healthy

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conversation i don't mind

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dissension amongst the ranks provided

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that it's informed ascension right and

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it's and the intent is for a good reason

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and that is to try to bring the truth

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out but when it's simply to to divert

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from the truth

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that's what i have a problem with when

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it's deliberately done to mislead people

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then then for i have a problem with it

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that to me that is that's that's a

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concern

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um you know people just got to be smart

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about it they got to do their due

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diligence they got to do their research

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and unfortunately i i just simply don't

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have time to hold everybody's hand

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through this this this process

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yeah you're only one man and

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you've done quite a bit um

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to

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one question i i have for you we're

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gonna start this is like a viewer

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question they emailed this to me uh we

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hear a lot about uh biological effects

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and usually that kind of um you know you

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think negative negative effects what are

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they um what are there any positive

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biological effects that you're aware of

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i mean there's there's reports that some

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people have extraordinary experiences

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right um and and let's face it there are

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people in reality that have trauma and

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drama in their lives and they turn out

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wind up

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magically possessing these these these

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almost superhero-like capabilities you

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become virtuosos on the piano instantly

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right or they they wind up being able to

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speak a foreign language virtually

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overnight um

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so you know unfortunately it's probably

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more common

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than not that effects tend to be

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negative whether it's psychological

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effects such as fear or some sort of

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ptsd type type related

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trauma

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in some cases physiological right so you

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have uh potential um let's see if i can

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if i can explain this uh you may have

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superficial what appear to be sunburn or

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or what's really radiation burns right

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and then you have uh

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internal as the the durds suggest and

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some of the the research that my

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organization did

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that um there's there's physiological

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consequences you know internal damage to

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internal organs and so that's

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there is also data to suggest that and

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the problem is that there's there's

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there's there's

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it's really hard to quantify and qualify

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uh biological effects um it doesn't mean

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that they're not real they are real the

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question is you know every person reacts

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a little bit differently to something um

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even even things that affect us you'd

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think the same where you and i can both

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touch a hot stove um i might get a third

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degree burn whereas you might just get a

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second degree burn right right so uh

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it's it's hard it's it's very

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challenging but it is important and

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those effects seem to kind of mirror um

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a lot of these studies at least that our

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government has done into different like

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direct energy and and you know emp kind

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of effects

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so it's got to be hard to differentiate

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between the two as well well i mean look

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at havana syndrome we still don't know

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what the hell that causes that right and

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it's real and people that are that are

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actually you know have

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been gotten very very sick from that

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um and we still we still don't know and

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so

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you know that's that's proof positive

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that there are there are mysteries out

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there that that

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involve biological effects that we just

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simply don't have enough data yet but we

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need to get more data

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yeah yeah um in the final along those

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lines in the final episode of

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the show unidentified which you are

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heavily featured on uh you said that if

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people are being taken against their

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will that could be perceived as an act

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of war

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just last week in conversation with the

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co-founder of mine in the experiencer

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group stuart davis uh jim simavan a

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colleague of yours at ttsa said that he

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viewed his personal encounter with

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non-human entities in his own bedroom

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with his wife as a human rights

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violation

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gary nolan semivan and others have

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indicated long-standing programs close

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to governmental agencies studying the

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biology and biological effects on

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contact experiencers and abductees

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close to what you term as the six of

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observable of biological effects

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in the experiencer group we have

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military experiencers in almost every

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single confidential support meeting

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we're very aware that non-human

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visitation has been tracked and studied

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for quite a long time with some of the

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people that

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i've just mentioned it's not hearsay and

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it hasn't been for many years now that

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people like nolan and your old ttsa

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colleague jim simavan are courageously

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coming forward

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um is is this an opportunity for you to

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speak more directly to this profoundly

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challenging topic of of contact with

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non-human energies

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yes and no yes in the sense that that

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people now are coming out where i had to

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allude before to a six observable are

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coming out and and stating for the

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record yes that was one of the

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observables um so it's them saying it

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not me um but there are areas of this

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topic i still cannot discuss

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uh again and this is going to rub people

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the wrong way and you know my suggestion

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if you don't want to hear it then

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meet me for a second or two

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but i have a security clearance you know

447
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and by the way let me let me set

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something straight here

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when you have a security clearance not

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only are you required to to keep secrets

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that you have sworn to keep but you also

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can't tell a lie okay because that's an

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indicator of a psychological issue

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so the fact that i have a security

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clearance at the ts level top secret

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level there's something called

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continuous evaluation ce

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and when you have a certain level of

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security clearance you are put into that

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category and you are continuously

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monitored they're looking at your credit

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scores they're looking at your

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psychological stability looking whether

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or not uh you have any indications of

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deception or you're a liar and they look

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at all sorts of stuff right uh you

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you're you're subject to random

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polygraph examinations just like i am

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and so what's important to note is not

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only do can i not tell a secret i also

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can't tell a lie um i get i will i will

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lose my lose my security clearance in

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about a second flat if i do

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so i have to be very very very careful

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on one hand i can't lie but at the other

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hand i also can't say everything i know

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and so uh it's a bit of a balancing act

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um i think when you're asking about how

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i feel about you know jay let me ask you

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a personal question if i made do you

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have any children you have to tell me

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how many you have or if you're a boy or

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girl but you have any children no i

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don't no okay do you have a significant

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other in your life i sure do

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okay so let's say this significant other

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uh was taken against their free will

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somewhere right

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in essence kidnapped right and while

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they were kidnapped um someone or

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something decides to

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to to touch them in a way without their

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their consent or their permission okay

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so now you have kidnapping now you also

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have assault okay

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and then you have someone potentially

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causing long-term

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uh physiological distress

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to your significant other long-term so

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now they suffer

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from a

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medically

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some sort of long-term consequence right

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um

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you know and ultimately ultimately at

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some point god forbid it leads to their

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death well you know in our country

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that's that's homicide you know there's

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people that that get you know

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assaulted and two years later they die

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because they've been in a coma and then

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they charge the person with murder um

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it's very serious um it is a human

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rights violation it's it's it's it's

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it's a crime if i do anything

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against your your free will and volition

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you know medical doctors have a

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hippocratic oath do no harm

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um that doesn't necessarily seem to be

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the same case here and then you have the

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psychological issues where if people

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truly are being taken away again

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hypothetically

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against their will

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um and then they come back and nobody

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believes them and whatnot then there's

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you know

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another issue right because now you have

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you know potentially ptsd situation you

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have a situation where

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now now the quality of someone's life um

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isn't uh isn't what it could be right

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and they don't get they can't realize

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their full potential so

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so it's um it's a big problem it's a big

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problem and uh especially if there's not

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a whole lot we can do about it um you

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know that that that to me is is

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it's a significant aspect of this

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conversation one that we have to

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approach though i think scientifically

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we have to avoid going down the woo road

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and when i say that i don't mean it with

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disrespect what i simply mean is we have

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to stick to the facts

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uh we have to sure and in my opinion if

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we want to have a uh you know an

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educated conversation about this this

549
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particular aspect of the phenomenon

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and once we get that galactic court set

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up then we can start suing them yeah i'm

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just kidding okay

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so

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the for the alternative you can move to

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wyoming and you know have four german

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shepherds and

557
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there you go

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you know

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so means for self-protection

560
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,840
um now i mean you've done some fantastic

561
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,000
work with like getting this uh you know

562
00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,559
to congress and getting this legislation

563
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,799
passed i know it this is a group effort

564
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,799
and you couldn't do it alone i know that

565
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:07,120
already but just like from me to you and

566
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:08,880
everybody else thank you so much for

567
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,640
that because you do get beat up

568
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:12,320
constantly and all the time

569
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,760
um

570
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,240
but again i can't take i can cannot take

571
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:17,840
credit for it and i won't take credit

572
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,919
for it because it's it really has to be

573
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,520
shared with everybody not just people

574
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,000
like like uh you see with chris mellon

575
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,000
doing doing great work and gary nolan

576
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,000
and whatnot but also the people like you

577
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,080
remember the fifth pillar of engagement

578
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,919
and perhaps the most important is public

579
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:34,480
engagement and and you need to look no

580
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:35,760
further than the mirror sean than to

581
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:38,080
realize you're part of that so

582
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,840
you know if if you want to give credit

583
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,200
to somebody i would suggest looking in

584
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,440
the mirror because you you and others

585
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:45,360
like you and jay are doing a tremendous

586
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:47,919
job uh making this conversation

587
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,559
palatable for the first time in 75 years

588
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,039
um it's people like you that are that

589
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,720
are championing this cause and saying to

590
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,120
hell with stigma and taboo um screw the

591
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,880
haters let's let's let's have a real

592
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,039
conversation you know um yeah anything

593
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,400
in history that's worth pursuing is

594
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:03,919
going to have resistance that's just the

595
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,840
way it's always been it's not easy and

596
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,200
you're going to have these these people

597
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:09,200
that will come out of the woodwork and

598
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,400
try to throw stones um but that's okay

599
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:14,000
because you got truth on your side you

600
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,480
know and so it's um you know it is what

601
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,520
it is

602
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,039
i appreciate it you embolden us with

603
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,120
your courage um that's for sure one

604
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,960
question i have here is um

605
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,480
you know with your time in atip and

606
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,039
everything and and having worked with uh

607
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:28,960
congress whether it be behind the scenes

608
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,600
or whatever um do you know or can you

609
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:33,520
say if the information that you're aware

610
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:36,159
of what you know in your time uh with

611
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:37,360
atip is

612
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,159
is

613
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,000
you know aligned with congress and what

614
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,080
they've seen either on classified or

615
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:45,200
classified material uh undoubtedly yes

616
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,559
um and

617
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,400
it is it is it

618
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:50,480
it is painting an extremely compelling

619
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:52,960
picture um there is data coming out

620
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,320
almost almost on a daily basis now think

621
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,600
about that for a minute because most

622
00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,440
people are thinking nimitz maybe

623
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:02,480
roosevelt or uss kid or omaha

624
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:04,799
you know years ago um we're talking

625
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:06,880
about things happening almost on a daily

626
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,280
basis now at this point

627
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,520
and and it's become evident that we do

628
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:14,000
not have a clear sight picture of our of

629
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,200
our air domain uh we do not have

630
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,280
air domain awareness as we like to say

631
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,520
um that we should uh and that's that's

632
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:23,360
problematic

633
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,320
yeah

634
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:27,520
most definitely i um i was listening

635
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,880
earlier today i realize this is a little

636
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,559
unfair so i'm just gonna mention the

637
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:32,320
paraphrase and then move on to my actual

638
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,960
questions so you don't have to um uh jim

639
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,960
cinnavan uh has been doing this series

640
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:38,640
of interviews lately he first with

641
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,240
george knapp and then with stewart davis

642
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:42,000
and he um

643
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:43,679
in an interview that's due to be

644
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:46,720
published very soon um he says

645
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,400
that anybody who who asks can get this

646
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,559
confidential brief that's related to the

647
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:54,960
task force report that came out last

648
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:58,000
summer and he he said well under

649
00:23:03,909 --> 00:22:59,039
in his

650
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,919
read in on

651
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:06,400
the aerospace capabilities of russia and

652
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,200
china they can clearly see that from the

653
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,720
data that i think you were just

654
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:12,960
referring to that we're talking about

655
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,000
orders of magnitude beyond what what is

656
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:17,600
capable with

657
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,960
correct nation

658
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,039
but but it is for clarification it's not

659
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,039
anybody can get access to this

660
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,039
confidential information if you have an

661
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:27,440
appropriate security clearance then yes

662
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,720
you can

663
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,320
but unfortunately if you do not have a

664
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,600
security clearance or not the

665
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,919
appropriate level no you cannot have

666
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:35,760
access to it they'll have to give you

667
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,280
something that's watered down because of

668
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,440
sources and methods and other classified

669
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,440
aspects but he's absolutely right and

670
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,000
yeah and people are are receiving those

671
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:46,159
briefings on a regular and continuing

672
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:47,120
basis

673
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,799
yes i should i misspoke i shouldn't

674
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:50,400
admit

675
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,360
even

676
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,520
hinted at the idea that uh you know me

677
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,760
or my neighbor could go get it a success

678
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:57,760
along these lines a successful strategy

679
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,279
that you've employed for the sake of the

680
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,200
larger cultural conversation the last

681
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,960
years and others have as well has been

682
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,200
to say with regard to uaps these could

683
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,200
be russian these could be chinese what

684
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,720
if another country's military has

685
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:10,400
leapfrogged us that was a successful

686
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,840
strategy earlier on and you've also

687
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:15,840
continually hinted and indicated that

688
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,000
you and others are quite aware that many

689
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,279
uaps showing the six observables now are

690
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:22,880
certainly not another conventional

691
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,000
military superpower given the incredible

692
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,880
dangers that can occur in the fog of war

693
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,559
and given we're now talking about

694
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,799
russia's true capabilities do you think

695
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,120
it may be time to shift or drop the

696
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,960
these uaps could be russian we're not

697
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:38,559
sure talking point for the sake of

698
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,520
clarity

699
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,440
i i don't because there's still people

700
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,760
that haven't crossed that bridge yet and

701
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,440
you have to leave the benefit of the

702
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,440
doubt you have to give them a way to

703
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,520
look at this topic because there are

704
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,279
people who the moment you say that

705
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,440
something could be existential they will

706
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,440
immediately shut down they will not even

707
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,880
listen to the very next word you have to

708
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,400
say and i experienced it when i was in

709
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,400
the secretary's office briefing some

710
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:02,320
very senior people i had some people who

711
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:03,520
just at the end of the briefing could

712
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:06,159
not process the topic and i was pawned

713
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,520
off to other people because not because

714
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,880
they didn't believe in it it was just

715
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,520
too overwhelming they just could not

716
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,600
they could not process the data and they

717
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:15,279
admitted it and look i don't even want

718
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,400
to think about it well what do you mean

719
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,080
you don't believe it no i i can't think

720
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,880
about it because it's too much right

721
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,000
and so

722
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,000
uh i think you have to leave that door

723
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,760
open because from a national security

724
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:28,240
perspective the look let's face it the

725
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,240
department of defense mission is to to

726
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,679
understand and have the potential to

727
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,000
defeat our adversaries if needed

728
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,840
so you have to frame this conversation

729
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,080
potentially as a potential adversary

730
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,799
right if you want potential involvement

731
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:42,000
from the intelligence community

732
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:43,200
department of defense which by the way

733
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,400
they have a lot of data so if you want

734
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:47,120
that data you have to be very careful

735
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:49,440
how how you couch the question if you

736
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,240
ask

737
00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:52,799
the the department of defense how much

738
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:54,320
how many files do you have on ufos

739
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,360
chances are they're going to come back

740
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,520
and say not very many if you come back

741
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,559
and you say

742
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,559
how many uh reports you have on

743
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,279
unidentified uas incurring into our our

744
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,960
controlled airspace

745
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:07,039
here and and abroad they're probably

746
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,760
going to come back with a different

747
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:10,080
answer say well that we got a lot of

748
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,200
right so

749
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,159
uh you you have to you have to keep you

750
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,159
have to keep that option open even

751
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:18,880
though it is increasingly more and more

752
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,600
uh remote chance that that is what we're

753
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:23,440
dealing with you know but again i have

754
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:25,120
to be very careful you have to leave

755
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,400
that door open

756
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:28,559
uh even if it's just a crack in my

757
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,360
opinion

758
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,440
okay and really kind of serves the same

759
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,200
purpose as well if you if you're just

760
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,559
trying to collect intelligence on

761
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:36,240
unidentifieds in your airspace whatever

762
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:37,520
it is you're just trying to get the

763
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,279
information and figure it out from there

764
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,279
which kind of shifts me to

765
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:43,840
the uss princeton in the recent release

766
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:48,320
of the kind of uh swarms of uaps

767
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:49,039
but

768
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,039
documented in the deck logs as

769
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:52,960
identified as drones

770
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,600
do you know if that's just something of

771
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,760
routine habit do they just do that even

772
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,279
if it's something that they have you

773
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:01,279
know no idea what it is

774
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,559
yeah because they know it's going to be

775
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:04,640
foia i mean

776
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:05,919
they're doing exactly what i would have

777
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:08,080
done if i was still in uniform i would i

778
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,760
would i would put quote-unquote drones

779
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:11,600
look when i look at the 1910 that i

780
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,840
requested i didn't write the word ufo i

781
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:16,000
wrote the word uas you know and then i

782
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,279
said you know things like i don't know

783
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,000
balloons drones quadcopters right sure

784
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,520
uh we weren't talking about that the

785
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,720
problem is that the people i was doing

786
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,880
the request weren't clear to my program

787
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:26,399
so i couldn't say ufos because then

788
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:27,679
that's acknowledging we had a ufo

789
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,320
program which i couldn't do so you know

790
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,760
you that

791
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,440
those those tech blogs are written that

792
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,760
way because of that exact reason you

793
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,520
know they say hey look you know whatever

794
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,039
you do don't write the word ufo because

795
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,200
then they're gonna that that will be

796
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,440
foiable right freedom of information act

797
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:45,279
and then they're gonna say ah see i told

798
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,640
you guys we're hiding information so

799
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,039
just write the word drone and you know

800
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,720
we'll we'll take it from there we know

801
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:53,360
what you mean wink wink nudge nudge um

802
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,960
you know sometimes that that is the case

803
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,720
and other times you know maybe there

804
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,720
there are drones but but

805
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,159
not all the time

806
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,919
what are so if you're familiar with this

807
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:03,200
what are some of the

808
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,279
uh differences of uh uaps uh in i don't

809
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,000
know like our locust drone swarm

810
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,720
uh program that we have and

811
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,240
you know work on i don't know where that

812
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,640
program's at but i know people like to

813
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,120
you know compare the two so look bottom

814
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,440
line is drones are are are subject to

815
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,279
the same limitations any anything else

816
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:25,520
we have technologically speaking okay

817
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,520
if you want something that can fly and

818
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,360
loiter we call loiter for a long time

819
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,600
you have to build big wings

820
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,640
and something that's going to fly at

821
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,240
super high altitude

822
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,919
and it's just going to kind of loiter up

823
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:37,120
there for weeks and weeks and weeks and

824
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,799
weeks and there are examples of those

825
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:40,640
long range

826
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,919
drones they're not very fast

827
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:43,279
particularly

828
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,320
and they don't have a whole lot of

829
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,320
maneuverability and they don't hover

830
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:48,000
they just kind of float up there right

831
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,320
then you have the quadcopters and and

832
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,279
whatnot these are drones that can

833
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,799
what appear to be instantaneous

834
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,159
acceleration but they're not really

835
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,600
instantaneous acceleration we're not

836
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,880
talking about

837
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,200
zero to 60 in one second you know that's

838
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,120
not really instantaneous acceleration

839
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,200
what we're talking about are just drones

840
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:07,039
that can go very very fast uh and they

841
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,080
can switch but they don't have loiter

842
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,080
capability and they don't have really

843
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,600
high altitude capability so there's

844
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,360
always a compromise either you have

845
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,200
something that can hover and move around

846
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,799
pretty quickly and rapidly for a very

847
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,960
short period of time because the lift

848
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,880
capability on that is is subject to its

849
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,399
payload right and his payload in this

850
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,799
case is is a battery and by the way

851
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,120
lithium-ion batteries aren't lightweight

852
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,840
they're heavy so you need to to use that

853
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,840
juice you've got to have a pretty robust

854
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:33,360
platform now people say well i have this

855
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,799
little quadcopter yeah but that thing

856
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,559
flies for 15 minutes

857
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:38,000
you want to sit there and move around

858
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,279
for hours and hours and hours with

859
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,880
blinking lights and moving over the deck

860
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:42,320
of a ship in the middle of the ocean and

861
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:43,360
by the way you have to fly there in the

862
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,640
first place then you got to fly out of

863
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,640
there that ain't a little quadcopter you

864
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:48,159
know you can you can convince yourself

865
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,440
all day long that you think it is but

866
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,039
it's not it's something else the

867
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,720
question is what is it is there some

868
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,799
sort of hybrid technology where someone

869
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,200
has figured out to use uh you know some

870
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,679
sort of semi-inflatable lighter than air

871
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,640
balloon with an impeller uh that allows

872
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,799
it to move like a drone but float like a

873
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:06,080
balloon and

874
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,919
sure but then does that drone go

875
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:10,159
underwater well no okay now we've got

876
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,279
another problem

877
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,600
uso does anything go into space no it

878
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,520
doesn't go into space does that thing

879
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,520
you know can it can it can it disable

880
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,159
nuclear capabilities well no so

881
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,399
you know you i'm sure you catch my drift

882
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,520
here right oh yeah yeah and i'm i'm on

883
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,240
the same page completely i just you know

884
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,919
in my research i come across things and

885
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,840
i'm like if we could draw a line between

886
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,679
this technology that obviously exists

887
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:35,440
and it's documented you know obviously

888
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:40,470
people say all the time well lou doesn't

889
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,840
know anything about drones actually you

890
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:43,120
know what that's one of the reasons why

891
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,320
i was probably able to generate it

892
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,640
because i did actually i worked on back

893
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,039
in the 90s some very at the time very

894
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,200
sensitive uav platforms hunter uav or

895
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,919
the original pioneer uav dark star uav

896
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:55,919
and technology protection and you know

897
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,760
some cases cruise missile technology i

898
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,120
won't go into detail

899
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,760
and and they simply do did not nor do

900
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,840
they now have some of the capabilities

901
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,240
that we're seeing you know

902
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,600
you might have a drone that can do one

903
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:09,039
of those things but

904
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,559
not all five

905
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,640
i gotta ask you this question sorry j

906
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,159
then i'll let you take it

907
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,000
um roswell you've been talking about

908
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,399
roswell and i know um

909
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,240
you know things can get conflated or

910
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:22,960
whatever but i have just like searched

911
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,399
those blue book files so much

912
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,880
and i can't find anything on that on

913
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,440
roswell in there so when you talk about

914
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,840
data my question is is it publicly

915
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,600
available data that everyone has seen

916
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,120
whether it be in books or something like

917
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,200
that or are you privy to something that

918
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,360
that we would not be

919
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,120
yeah i i can't go into a lot of detail

920
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:46,399
on that unfortunately that's all right

921
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,279
because that gets into my my

922
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:51,600
that crosses the line of my mda and what

923
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,559
i have access to now um i'm really not

924
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,279
at privy to to elaborate on um you know

925
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,440
at some point in the future maybe um

926
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,600
sure you know hopefully you know i think

927
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,960
if things continue to move in the

928
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,480
direction that they are

929
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,320
um it's going to become increasingly

930
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:08,960
evident that um

931
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,440
several of us that were part of atip are

932
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,240
are still heavily engaged in this topic

933
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,600
um

934
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:17,440
in a capacity that may not necessarily

935
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,320
be

936
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,760
um

937
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:22,320
you know readily available to the public

938
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,760
uh we are we are very much still very

939
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,360
patriotic we want to do the right thing

940
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,720
we want to help

941
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,240
um and so

942
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,720
you know don't be surprised if if

943
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,960
certain people affiliated with with atip

944
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,399
and other efforts

945
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,840
you know may be working behind the

946
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,840
scenes now to to try to continue this

947
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,679
conversation

948
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,200
sure fantastic

949
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,919
understood um along those lines going

950
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,720
back to world war ii and beyond uh

951
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,640
potentially millennia if you're looking

952
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:52,480
at people like jacques vallee and chris

953
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,760
obeck's work compiling old case reports

954
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,799
um

955
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,039
from the historical record we have

956
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,880
plenty of data that suggests that

957
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:02,799
large-scale warfare often seems to

958
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,840
attract surveillance by uaps ufos

959
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,679
on related phenomena do you have any

960
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,080
thoughts or potential concerns about uap

961
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,240
being drawn out in eastern europe and

962
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,880
russia right now and can you foresee the

963
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,760
possibility of obvious uap activity in

964
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,640
war zones undermining public confidence

965
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,120
in any way

966
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:24,960
i mean it's possible uh you know we

967
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:28,240
haven't any seen any overt involvement

968
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,880
um you know uh

969
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,799
let me

970
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:35,840
um

971
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,039
this is a very emotionally charged topic

972
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:40,960
for a lot of people right

973
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,399
and if someone says um you know these

974
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,760
things are

975
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,880
benign they're here to help us they're

976
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,159
here to stop us from annihilating

977
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,440
ourselves

978
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,720
let's just take that argument for just

979
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,559
one second if i may

980
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,000
um

981
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:56,080
in 1945

982
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:56,880
we

983
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,440
instantaneously converted the biomass of

984
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:01,679
over 500 000 people from a solid state

985
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,240
to a gaseous state we vaporize human

986
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,480
beings using an atomic bomb two of them

987
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,320
in fact hiroshima and nagasaki 13

988
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,639
kilotons and roughly 22 some

989
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,480
kilo tons respectively

990
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,720
and ended the lives of both short term

991
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,800
and long term of over half a million

992
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,320
people

993
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,720
nowhere did the uap stop that

994
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:22,879
nowhere did the uap stop our development

995
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,679
into the nuclear age in fact nowhere did

996
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,079
uaps stop us from going to war in world

997
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,960
war ii or korean war or vietnam

998
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:32,320
they haven't stopped us right now with

999
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,760
ukraine they haven't stopped coveted

1000
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:35,040
they haven't stopped global climate

1001
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,480
change they haven't stopped famine

1002
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:37,760
global famine

1003
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:41,200
so to suggest that um a uap may be here

1004
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,320
for for the benefit of mankind

1005
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,079
that really has yet to be seen we

1006
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:47,599
haven't we haven't seen any now what we

1007
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,440
have seen is absolute

1008
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,960
uh preparation of the battlefield we've

1009
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,879
seen seen things looking at at our

1010
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:54,800
capabilities what military capabilities

1011
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,480
nuclear capabilities that that we have

1012
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,320
seen what does that mean we don't know

1013
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,720
yet so i say that just as a word of

1014
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,040
caution for anybody out there who wants

1015
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:05,040
you know to follow the the strain of you

1016
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,400
know they're here and they want to sing

1017
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,359
kumbaya and teach us well okay maybe but

1018
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,200
but they haven't they haven't they

1019
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,000
haven't really done anything yet overtly

1020
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,800
to to help our species out in a way that

1021
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,520
we can we can publicly recognize so

1022
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,880
the real question is okay then why are

1023
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:23,040
they here right maybe they're natural

1024
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,560
maybe they're just here to observe maybe

1025
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:26,160
they're just you know like us right

1026
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,520
they're not going to interfere when we

1027
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,200
go to to the middle of the congo and

1028
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,359
watch the big silverback gorillas when

1029
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,520
they fight they beat their chest

1030
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:35,359
we don't necessarily interfere right

1031
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,200
when we're filming a documentary in

1032
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,520
africa and the cheetah chasing the the

1033
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,680
antelope and the cheetah tears into it

1034
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,480
you know

1035
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,320
the cameraman doesn't get involved just

1036
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,200
he's just documenting what's happening

1037
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,720
so that's possibility we just simply

1038
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,200
don't know um and as far as your

1039
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,800
question is here with the ukraine now

1040
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,079
what we're seeing with russia or

1041
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:55,520
potentially another

1042
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,480
issue in the future um

1043
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,480
you know i i i can't answer that

1044
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:02,400
question i wouldn't be surprised if

1045
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,119
there is increased interest in what we

1046
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,960
are doing to each other

1047
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,119
but i'm not convinced yet that

1048
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,440
anything's going to happen to to stop it

1049
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,040
um i think i think that's going to be up

1050
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,800
to us to try to figure out

1051
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,560
yeah and you just go back to world war

1052
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,320
ii and the foo fighters and you know

1053
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,920
those were definitely seen and we've

1054
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,320
seen these around nuclear uh reactors

1055
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,720
and in in sights and uh and all that for

1056
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,320
a long time but like you said they

1057
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,240
haven't done anything to stop it the one

1058
00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:30,320
thing i was curious about is uh we

1059
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,320
pretty much decimated the marshall

1060
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:34,320
islands with nuclear bombs is that a

1061
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:36,160
place we've seen a lot of uaps do you

1062
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,440
know

1063
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,200
um

1064
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,720
you know to to be completely honest with

1065
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,160
you i'm not aware of any specific

1066
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,400
reporting um i am aware of alleged

1067
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,760
reporting around things such as

1068
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:47,040
chernobyl

1069
00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:49,359
and fukushima and possibly even three

1070
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:50,800
mile island

1071
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,000
um you know also some other locations

1072
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,800
that i can't talk about um that are

1073
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,320
nuclear related

1074
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,160
um so that's that's interesting that's

1075
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:02,240
that's something that is is curious

1076
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,079
right uh yeah definitely i so uh i don't

1077
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,320
know about bikini atoll or anything like

1078
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:10,000
that frankly there's not a whole lot of

1079
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,200
persistent surveillance out there

1080
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:12,880
there's a whole whole lot of nothing out

1081
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:16,000
there so to dedicate resources uh i'm

1082
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,599
not sure now there does seem to be some

1083
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:19,680
sort of hot spots as we've now

1084
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:21,680
seen with things like catalina island

1085
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,680
and some other places

1086
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,920
the question is why well there's still a

1087
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,000
lot of discussion on potentially why

1088
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,079
there's a lot of potential reasons

1089
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,720
we don't exactly know yet

1090
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,400
now what maybe the key is to look at

1091
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:36,000
other hot spots and try to identify

1092
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,520
commonalities so if you have let's say

1093
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,359
five hot spots that you know you're

1094
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,359
getting a lot of uap activity are there

1095
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:42,960
commonalities are there commonalities

1096
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,920
perhaps in the in in the soil and and

1097
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:46,640
the

1098
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,040
you know

1099
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,200
geological formations there or is there

1100
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,400
something there from a mineral

1101
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,680
perspective or there's something there

1102
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,520
from a technical perspective technology

1103
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,520
perspective there that we have right so

1104
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,800
these are all the questions that are

1105
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,160
that are being asked

1106
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:04,079
are you familiar with earth lights by

1107
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:05,359
chance

1108
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:06,880
yeah i think you refer to them as spook

1109
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,680
lights or ghost lights yeah yeah um

1110
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,880
you know when you when you talk about

1111
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,760
these things possibly being you know uh

1112
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,920
here and and being natural to this place

1113
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,880
i tend to think of that um have you

1114
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:20,320
thought on that at all

1115
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,880
sure marfa texas joplin missouri these

1116
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,640
things are very common in fact

1117
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,240
indigenous people aboriginal people have

1118
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:28,560
been reporting these for millennia

1119
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:31,920
and so it's it's nothing yep any

1120
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,320
connection there to these uaps

1121
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,520
possibly

1122
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,480
possible

1123
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:37,839
yeah

1124
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:40,880
any chance you could tell us about a um

1125
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,670
wow uh i'd rather not do that right now

1126
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,079
that's fine um it's i don't want to

1127
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,160
prejudice a jury you know it's

1128
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,960
interesting it's it's it's it's tempting

1129
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,800
it really is but

1130
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,760
um

1131
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,040
i think i'll probably say that for

1132
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,200
another conversation at some point

1133
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,880
because at the end of the day it's you

1134
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,079
know people always want to know what

1135
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:06,160
does lou think and it's you know it's

1136
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,920
really tempting but at the end of the

1137
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,280
day doesn't matter what i think what

1138
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,800
matters is what what the facts of the

1139
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:12,000
data suggest

1140
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:13,040
and this is again the problem with

1141
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:14,480
ufology up to to this day because

1142
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,599
everybody thinks it matters what they

1143
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,880
think and it doesn't

1144
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,560
you know it doesn't

1145
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:20,320
the the the phenomenon to give the damn

1146
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,440
what you think

1147
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,720
it doesn't give a damn what i think or

1148
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,000
anybody else

1149
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,160
um and people that are making a nice

1150
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,480
little cottage industry by by providing

1151
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:30,160
a narrative to people i know and i'm the

1152
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,680
only one that knows well you know what

1153
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,880
forgive my language but you're full of

1154
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,720
you know

1155
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,720
you need to go back and and and pick up

1156
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,680
another hobby because you're a

1157
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,960
distraction to this you're not you're

1158
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,960
not helping you're actually you're

1159
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,400
actually what you are that we want to

1160
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:43,839
know why we haven't had any progress in

1161
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:45,280
the last 75 years look in the mirror

1162
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,480
because you've been holding it back

1163
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:48,320
because that nonsensical way of looking

1164
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,359
at things

1165
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,960
you know we we have to avoid that

1166
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,400
temptation

1167
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,079
of providing answers because we don't

1168
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,079
have them yet and you know i'll tell you

1169
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,839
right now lou elizondo isn't smart

1170
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:59,520
enough to figure it out we need smart

1171
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,119
people on board we need academia

1172
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,960
scientists and technologists and we need

1173
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,160
governments and we need i mean we need

1174
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:05,920
everybody on board you know philosophers

1175
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,119
theologians sociologists psychologists

1176
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,760
because this topic is is just as much as

1177
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,839
about us as a species as it is about

1178
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,520
anything else you know the way we even

1179
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,800
look at things

1180
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:19,359
uh may not be the right way to even even

1181
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,480
even to to to to

1182
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,520
try to process what this really is about

1183
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,000
i mean we may be our worst enemy when it

1184
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,680
comes to this this

1185
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,760
topic because we

1186
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,520
psychologically just we're not even

1187
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,440
asking the right questions

1188
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:36,480
yep

1189
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,960
yeah along those lines i i completely

1190
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,480
agree with what you're saying there and

1191
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,599
i uh um i i think along the lines of the

1192
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,359
conversation that we were having before

1193
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,119
we came out in front of the curtain here

1194
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,280
you know there are a lot of people that

1195
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:51,440
feel that they contribute to the field

1196
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,480
mainly by

1197
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,480
being kind of like subjective

1198
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,920
goalkeepers

1199
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,720
for

1200
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,119
their own subjective

1201
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,599
understanding of the fabric of consensus

1202
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:03,440
reality or something like that rather

1203
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,920
than where the data actually is you know

1204
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,440
and along the lines of what you're just

1205
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,839
saying with regard to the data and how

1206
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,000
we might not be looking at things in a

1207
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,000
certain way you know some people have

1208
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,520
recently referenced work um by people

1209
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,760
like don hoffman who wrote a book called

1210
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,800
the case against reality uh with and

1211
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,480
this idea within consciousness that

1212
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:27,200
we've evolved um with kind of blinders

1213
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:27,920
on

1214
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,680
reality

1215
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,760
because we have you know we don't see

1216
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,400
the ir range we don't hear as well as

1217
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:39,520
dogs do etc etc etc that we've evolved

1218
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,800
mainly to eat and procreate and anything

1219
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:44,880
that might spook us or might be outside

1220
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,160
the the range of what we normally need

1221
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,400
has been filtered out i was wondering if

1222
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,480
you have thoughts on that and you had a

1223
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,319
along those lines you had a quote in

1224
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,560
your theory of everything interview

1225
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,720
with kurt a few months ago and you are

1226
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,119
asking how do we pull ourselves out of a

1227
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:03,599
human paradigm so i'd like to to get

1228
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,640
your reflections on those two thoughts

1229
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:08,160
well first of all let me i'll address

1230
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,520
that i guess you had a gentleman here

1231
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,839
named terry hall or a woman named terry

1232
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,920
hall i don't know which uh um so no

1233
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,280
offense if i

1234
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:17,119
if i don't know if you're gender

1235
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,240
sensitive

1236
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,599
but ask the question so well what

1237
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,760
questions should we ask you know i think

1238
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,359
you should ask all the questions

1239
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,280
questions are no there's nothing wrong

1240
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:27,040
with asking questions the problem is

1241
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:28,880
when we provide answers that we don't we

1242
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,119
don't know um

1243
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,599
my advice to to terry is to continue

1244
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:35,440
asking any and all questions that you

1245
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,800
have but recognizing that that

1246
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,200
we we probably don't have a lot of the

1247
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,119
answers we're seeking and in fact some

1248
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,640
of the questions we ask may not be

1249
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,839
necessarily

1250
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:48,319
even valid questions um doesn't mean

1251
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,440
that they're not important doesn't mean

1252
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,520
that they're not worthy of discussion it

1253
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,240
just means that that we may have some

1254
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,240
you know give me question point um when

1255
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,720
i was in in

1256
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,520
california uh for a little while um in

1257
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:02,960
the um

1258
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,160
you in the unidentified uh part

1259
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,160
i spent a lot of time in in hollywood um

1260
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,839
i'm not a hollywood guy never have been

1261
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,839
never will be um

1262
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,760
that's not my that's not my scene that's

1263
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,280
not my crowd but the very first thing

1264
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,119
that people would come up to

1265
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:19,200
is they would say

1266
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,720
what do you do

1267
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:23,040
not not who are you right and how are

1268
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,839
you

1269
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:26,720
question

1270
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,480
sure but it's probably not an

1271
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,400
appropriate question as

1272
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,480
how are you you know

1273
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:35,119
it's it seemed to be very transactional

1274
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:36,560
the question that was being asked was

1275
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,960
really just to assert in their own mind

1276
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,319
where we fall on the racking and

1277
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:42,079
stacking and you know is there something

1278
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,760
i can do for them do they are they are

1279
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,440
they in a situation where maybe on the

1280
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,880
social ladder they're above me and then

1281
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:48,400
they don't have to deal with me who

1282
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:49,359
knows

1283
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:52,480
whereas in other parts of the country um

1284
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,920
you know people will come up and they

1285
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,920
don't really care what you do they just

1286
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:57,599
want to know how you're doing right and

1287
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,480
so

1288
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,440
therein lies part of um part of when we

1289
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,960
ask a question we need to make sure that

1290
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,359
we're it's okay to ask all the questions

1291
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:08,000
but some questions may be maybe a little

1292
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:10,000
bit more fruitful pursuit than than

1293
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,880
others

1294
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,160
and by the way i'm not saying there's

1295
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:14,160
any bad questions that there just may be

1296
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,200
some questions that we haven't even

1297
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:16,560
thought to ask yet

1298
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:19,839
um so jay back to your your

1299
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,240
you know your point um specifically and

1300
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,240
i want to make sure i i address it

1301
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:25,359
properly

1302
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:28,720
um can you refine for me a little bit on

1303
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:32,000
on your question regarding um

1304
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,760
regarding what what

1305
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,440
specifically you're you're concerned

1306
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,640
with

1307
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,200
sure um in your

1308
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,720
to maybe put a fine point on it in your

1309
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:44,720
interview with kurt on theory of

1310
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,599
everything a few months ago back in

1311
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,960
october

1312
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:51,200
you kept coming back to the point of how

1313
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:53,359
do we pull ourselves out of a human

1314
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,960
paradigm and yes and you really seem

1315
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,040
you seemed like you were really kind of

1316
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,119
rolling that around in your head

1317
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,880
and i was thinking about the kind of

1318
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,960
parameters you know when we look at a

1319
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,839
tree

1320
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,520
we don't necessarily think of the root

1321
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,400
system like like the mycelial network

1322
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,280
might or we don't think of its of its

1323
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,599
grand standing in the way that an ant

1324
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,040
might you know what i mean all these

1325
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:18,560
understandings from different

1326
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,079
perspectives and it seemed like that's

1327
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,480
kind of where you're going with regard

1328
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,560
to what was called an enthymeme and

1329
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,240
things like that the mystery the common

1330
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,240
misperceptions that people might have

1331
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,280
and yeah it might be a better dreamwork

1332
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,119
yeah so

1333
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,800
yeah it does it does um you know

1334
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,720
obviously asking a fish to

1335
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:39,119
to think like a bird is is gonna be

1336
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,560
pretty hard right because the fish looks

1337
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:43,359
like the water and a bird flies um

1338
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:45,760
so so in some cases it's probably

1339
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,240
impossible for a fish to completely

1340
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,960
understand and relate to to a bird but

1341
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,880
there are examples where a fish can

1342
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,200
maybe kind of begin to experience that

1343
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,119
so let's take a flying fish for example

1344
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,520
that can leap out of the water and with

1345
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,000
its its modified fins

1346
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:04,319
glide for a pretty significant long

1347
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,599
distance if you've ever seen a flying

1348
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,040
fish over the water

1349
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,040
they can they can glide and skip across

1350
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,359
the water for for quite a distance right

1351
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,839
now is it a bird no but for that very

1352
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,920
brief moment that fish is flying man i

1353
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,680
mean it's creating lift under it it's

1354
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,640
moving through the air like a bird

1355
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,319
so we have to think more like a flying

1356
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,000
fish rather than just a fish as a

1357
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,680
species we need to be

1358
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:27,839
prepared to suspend whatever

1359
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:31,280
preconceived notions we have

1360
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,640
and uh and be able to to ask questions

1361
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:35,760
that maybe

1362
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,560
don't seem at least initially to be very

1363
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,720
relevant but could wind up actually

1364
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,960
holding some of the keys to the kingdom

1365
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,560
and that's hard to do because we don't

1366
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,400
have as a species as a human species we

1367
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:47,760
don't have any real reference of doing

1368
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,640
that

1369
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,560
right um

1370
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:52,640
so so the question is how do you do that

1371
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,400
well part of that is to to bring on

1372
00:47:02,870 --> 00:46:59,599
board um

1373
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,880
sociologists and human anthropologists

1374
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,359
that can look at the last time human

1375
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,680
beings were faced with something as big

1376
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:09,599
as this perhaps it was the realization

1377
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,319
that uh through galileo's observations

1378
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,240
that the earth was not the center of the

1379
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,920
solar system right

1380
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,520
um that was a that was a big pill to

1381
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,680
swallow and yet it turned out to be true

1382
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,520
so and we had to re

1383
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,520
kind of retool the way we we think about

1384
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,720
things to to incorporate this this new

1385
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,400
information

1386
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,640
there are examples in history where

1387
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:32,880
where we've had to completely re-change

1388
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,839
the way we look at things

1389
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,000
and i think maybe drawing upon some of

1390
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,920
those experiences previous experience

1391
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,079
and see how we handled it last time and

1392
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:44,000
what were the questions we asked in

1393
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:45,200
order to

1394
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,119
to to come up with this new paradigm

1395
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:49,200
maybe maybe maybe that's part of the

1396
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,040
trick right you know the old question

1397
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,960
that that the general wants to know is

1398
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,480
do i extend my hand when the thing

1399
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,839
laying so i extend my hand out in

1400
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:57,680
friendship or do i point an m16 at its

1401
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,640
head

1402
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,400
and the answer may be well yeah and the

1403
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:02,000
answer may be neither right both of

1404
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,760
those may be the wrong answer you know

1405
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,240
so you know the very the very question

1406
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:08,000
is flawed it's it's not it's not

1407
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,839
accurate and we need to teach

1408
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,319
our our our elected officials and our

1409
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,240
policymakers that there may be other

1410
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:16,480
options to consider rather than just a

1411
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,040
binary yes or no and

1412
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,400
you know that's that's why we need an

1413
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,720
academic advisory board with some really

1414
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:25,119
qualified people out of the box box

1415
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,160
thinkers

1416
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,000
that are willing to challenge the system

1417
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,640
uh in a positive way you know and really

1418
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,680
really

1419
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:33,839
get people thinking in a way that we're

1420
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,920
maybe not used to thinking

1421
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,280
yeah i mean that's kind of one of the

1422
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:38,960
the difficult parts about this subject

1423
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,440
is as we try to describe or think about

1424
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,440
things in such a human way and if this

1425
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,359
thing is alien or something

1426
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,200
even more intelligent than us like the

1427
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,400
chances of it

1428
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:50,800
having any type of reason that we could

1429
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,319
fathom um is is probably next to zero

1430
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,599
and we put the cart in front of the

1431
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,040
horse so that puts me to like things

1432
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,880
like project games

1433
00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:00,480
we do it all the time since the time we

1434
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,839
were a child we put human

1435
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,680
anthropomorphism in everything look at a

1436
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,839
child with stuffed animals right look at

1437
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,599
look at you know disney movies where

1438
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:09,599
they take cars and they you know give

1439
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,800
them personalities and and character and

1440
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,240
a storyline

1441
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,720
it's almost in our human nature you know

1442
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,319
in fact one of the very first things

1443
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:20,400
that a baby recognizes is its mother's

1444
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,200
face and sounds it's pattern recognition

1445
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,040
it's it's a survival technique for our

1446
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,880
species so

1447
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,960
um you know i'm not saying it's a bad

1448
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,720
thing it led us to where we are here

1449
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,240
today we probably owe to some degree

1450
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,079
some of our survival success as a

1451
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,319
species because of it but it's also

1452
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,880
perhaps limiting us in being able to now

1453
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,319
look beyond

1454
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,960
um something if if you're talking about

1455
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,280
something that is not human then

1456
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,960
then how do we do it right i mean

1457
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,720
everything we have to include our dogs

1458
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,440
our cats we we assign you know human

1459
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,839
characteristics and motivations and and

1460
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,680
whatnot to them um

1461
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:57,520
and it's it's natural and normal i'm not

1462
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,040
i'm not look i got four german shepherds

1463
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,280
and i and i i talk to him as my kids all

1464
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,720
the time you know i mean i'm just as

1465
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,800
guilty of it so i'm not beating anybody

1466
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,559
up on it's just natural

1467
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,880
but we have to also be able to look at

1468
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,400
this a little bit

1469
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,920
differently because you're right we're

1470
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,760
dealing with something that is there's a

1471
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,000
very good possibility it is not human

1472
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,240
and if it's not human then you you kind

1473
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:20,160
of have to look at things well there's a

1474
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,680
possibility it's not going to think like

1475
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:23,839
us it's not a process data like us it's

1476
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,640
not going to come to the same

1477
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,160
conclusions at us they might have

1478
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:27,520
different motivations i mean i have no

1479
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,960
motivations motivations may not even

1480
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,160
part of the calculus you know people say

1481
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,920
why are they here well maybe the why is

1482
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,440
not even the right question you know

1483
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,440
maybe it's how right

1484
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,040
so

1485
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,960
it's it's tricky and that's why we need

1486
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,720
people this is why i always say my my

1487
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,240
opinion doesn't matter what matters is

1488
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,559
what what you know the consensus says

1489
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,559
let's get everybody together the right

1490
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,200
minds to to have the conversation and

1491
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,800
and let's see what we collectively come

1492
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,880
up with

1493
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,640
you you've been

1494
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,480
there has been a collection of what

1495
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,280
could be termed as right minds um with

1496
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:01,599
uh the galileo project that you've

1497
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,480
recently signed on with in in the last

1498
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,200
months um i i've heard from others that

1499
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,119
there are often kind of regular zoom

1500
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,200
groups among some of the people that

1501
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,200
to do kind of working group type stuff

1502
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:15,359
getting them getting getting people kind

1503
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,800
of up to speed with each other's

1504
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,960
research things like that um is there

1505
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:20,800
anything and i also saw that you were

1506
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,839
featured

1507
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,160
just last night i believe in an article

1508
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:26,319
by chris sharp on liberation times that

1509
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:28,960
was kind of mentioning um

1510
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,599
other videos and and some and some

1511
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,119
things that might be coming out do you

1512
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,520
do you anticipate anything any data

1513
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,839
coming from project galileo in the in

1514
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,000
the upcoming months this year and what's

1515
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,760
been going on that way that you can talk

1516
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,119
about that

1517
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,040
seems fruitful it seems like avi loeb's

1518
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,640
really shifted his tone from looking

1519
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,920
through the telescope to things more

1520
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:50,000
domestically and i imagine that you have

1521
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:51,920
a huge hand in that

1522
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,720
i i'm very hopeful for for avi loeb in

1523
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:56,880
the galileo project he has managed to

1524
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,760
bring on some remarkable people um and i

1525
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,359
said this jokingly before and i'll say

1526
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:02,880
it again you know when i joined the team

1527
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:05,440
i think the average iq dropped about 30

1528
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:06,240
points

1529
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,599
from that team

1530
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,680
because i'm probably the least

1531
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,000
uh least intellectual of that group

1532
00:52:15,990 --> 00:52:14,079
these are people that have really just

1533
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:16,000
pioneered some some really incredible

1534
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,359
stuff they work for harvard they work

1535
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,839
for other very renowned organizations

1536
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,160
and institutions around the world um

1537
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,319
jacques mallet is on there um some some

1538
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:26,400
really big heavy hitter scientists and

1539
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,680
and i think it's going to continue to

1540
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:29,760
grow i think they've got a wonderful

1541
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,800
shot

1542
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,200
now at at being able to shed additional

1543
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,960
light on this now with that said

1544
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:36,480
there's an old adage of you know the

1545
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,720
crawl walk and run right so where are we

1546
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,800
in that phase well we're probably more

1547
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,480
on the floor slithering and writhing on

1548
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:46,240
the floor like a snake we are we're not

1549
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,839
even at the crawl phase yet

1550
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,760
but we're getting there and what they

1551
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:52,240
want to do is is

1552
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,440
um

1553
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,440
they want to create a capability and

1554
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,839
they are creating it now as we speak

1555
00:53:02,710 --> 00:52:59,599
um to to

1556
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,720
i to basically identify track

1557
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,040
uh these these objects and then

1558
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,280
hopefully try to analyze them and their

1559
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:09,200
approach makes sense you know they're

1560
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:10,079
using

1561
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,599
real technology uh and and real software

1562
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,880
capabilities

1563
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,040
to try to ascertain the difference

1564
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,520
between a balloon the 737 on its way to

1565
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,400
lax a bird a drone

1566
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,520
a meteor coming in and and i think you

1567
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,880
know i

1568
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,079
i think the more of these that we

1569
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,640
proliferate um i think the much better

1570
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,760
chance we're going to have at collecting

1571
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,680
some real data that's that's my opinion

1572
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,480
i think and i ch and i i really

1573
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:38,960
really want to congratulate avi and his

1574
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:41,760
colleagues um on on what they're doing i

1575
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,079
mean they are look if if they achieve

1576
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,359
success

1577
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,559
guys that would be one of the greatest

1578
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,960
discoveries in in in mankind's history

1579
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:50,880
that's that's a nobel prize

1580
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:54,000
uh and uh you know we have to make a new

1581
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:56,079
award for that

1582
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,040
yeah

1583
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,839
you know and so so i think um

1584
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:01,599
i think it's an excellent start and i'm

1585
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,880
very hopeful

1586
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,920
uh that

1587
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,440
that that they're going to achieve

1588
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,520
success but i'm even more

1589
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,960
more happy that academia is now

1590
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,480
beginning to have a conversation look

1591
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,960
there's a university in in germany now

1592
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,640
that has a curriculum on uaps there's

1593
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,559
one here in the united states we're

1594
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,400
having conversations now at some of the

1595
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,040
most renowned academic institutions in

1596
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,720
the world on this topic

1597
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,240
i won't say specifically which ones

1598
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,240
because they you know i'll let them have

1599
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:28,160
that conversation but

1600
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:29,680
but they're taking this topic seriously

1601
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,640
now because of that we have a

1602
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,880
responsibility especially this community

1603
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,720
to make sure that we we really put our

1604
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,000
best foot forward because we start

1605
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,680
putting there's been times where

1606
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,440
major mainstream media puts some

1607
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:41,440
supposed expert on the news and it turns

1608
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:43,440
out that yeah you know the

1609
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,880
the person

1610
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,000
themselves

1611
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,160
yeah you know and it's like all right

1612
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:50,160
you know it's you know that's not

1613
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,520
helpful um so we we have to make sure

1614
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,240
that we we do our own due diligence to

1615
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,319
really this is why the ai capability

1616
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,240
we're developing is so important

1617
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,559
because you know when you have 99.9

1618
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:04,000
degree of certainty that's something

1619
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,200
that you're looking at is not an

1620
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,359
aircraft and it's not one of ours and

1621
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,119
it's probably not foreign

1622
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,799
now you've got real data

1623
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,400
but with that you have to be tempted

1624
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,760
from you know

1625
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:15,200
being a bit of a

1626
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,000
uh

1627
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,920
boy who cries wolf right or or a paul

1628
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:19,359
revere you know the british are coming

1629
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,480
the british are coming you but damn well

1630
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:21,839
better make sure the british are coming

1631
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:23,839
otherwise you know you got one shot to

1632
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:26,079
do it right and 100 shots to do it wrong

1633
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,760
so you got to you got to be extra

1634
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,079
careful and extra diligent

1635
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,000
uh we're almost at the hour so i got

1636
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,000
like one or two questions left if that's

1637
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,000
okay with you

1638
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,230
this is uh

1639
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,079
you know john ramirez i'm sure you're

1640
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,160
familiar with him he's been on um on

1641
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,400
this show and he described an incident

1642
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,200
before uh asap began where they've

1643
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,200
picked up a bunch of

1644
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,599
seemingly intelligent orbs

1645
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,839
over russian airspace i believe with a

1646
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,440
kh-11

1647
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,520
satellite or something

1648
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,359
are you familiar with that incident can

1649
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,280
you speak to it at all

1650
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:06,319
um you know the kh is an older platform

1651
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:07,440
i don't know

1652
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:09,280
what i can talk about its capabilities

1653
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,040
um you know there's a time was very very

1654
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,040
sensitive i know there's been a lot of

1655
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:14,640
information that's come out subsequently

1656
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,680
on it um but you know i i certainly

1657
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,200
wouldn't want to tread into the area of

1658
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:22,480
nro or nga equities um you know we still

1659
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,440
consider

1660
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,680
our satellite capabilities um kind of

1661
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:27,680
our crown jewels right and so we're very

1662
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,680
protective of those those technologies

1663
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,280
so i don't want to speak specifically on

1664
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,440
platform capabilities but what i will

1665
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:35,040
say is there's a long history that the

1666
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:36,559
u.s government and the intelligence

1667
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:38,079
community specifically in the defense

1668
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,280
community have been aware of of uap

1669
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,720
activity um in and around and over uh

1670
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,720
some of our adversarial airspace and it

1671
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,160
seems that our adversaries are just a

1672
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,640
surprise as we are

1673
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:52,880
excellent

1674
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,670
that was a fantastic answer thank you

1675
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,040
very much

1676
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,720
what do you plan on releasing your book

1677
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:02,559
or do you have a release date for uh

1678
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,480
everybody's uh i'm working on it man

1679
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:06,079
it's it's uh

1680
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,640
you know i i there's

1681
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,920
i think it'll become very clear when i

1682
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,280
write the book and why i'm writing it

1683
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,720
and

1684
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,640
people will will probably have this this

1685
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:16,400
little bit of an epiphany and say wow

1686
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,760
okay that's uh that's clever um i i i

1687
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:22,160
want to wait till it's ready um i'm

1688
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:25,359
working very hard every day on it um

1689
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,640
you know it's it's important there's a

1690
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:28,480
lot of information to put in there

1691
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,440
and uh it is um you know it's going to

1692
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,280
be about this topic there's a lot i

1693
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,040
could write about quite frankly

1694
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:37,839
uh the question is how do i how do i

1695
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,400
condense a whole lot of information and

1696
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:42,319
a decade's worth of work into something

1697
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,200
that is

1698
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:45,920
is you know roughly this big and

1699
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:49,040
you know you can you can read it and

1700
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,160
so uh

1701
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,920
it's challenging i'm hoping to have it

1702
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:53,440
done um

1703
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:54,640
soon

1704
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,480
i really don't want to you know again

1705
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:58,720
i'd rather rather under promise and over

1706
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,359
deliver is is what i tend to do

1707
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:03,920
um but i think it's fair to say that

1708
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,390
not too long um we're not talking years

1709
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,760
you know we're talking

1710
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,040
you know

1711
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:15,040
yeah no just asking whatever you're

1712
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:16,319
comfortable with

1713
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,280
a lot of progress has been made so far

1714
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:21,520
a lot of progress has been made on it

1715
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,079
is it more difficult or easier

1716
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,920
than you thought writing a book

1717
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,000
way more difficult because i have to go

1718
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,920
into yeah you know i write a lot of

1719
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,839
reports but but

1720
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,359
for one reason because i'm having to

1721
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:35,040
have conversations and ask people for

1722
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:36,319
their permission to tell their part of

1723
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,440
their story

1724
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:40,000
um yeah it's not my story to tell and

1725
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,119
and i need their permission out of

1726
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,880
respect for them look you know

1727
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:44,559
there was a time i give you case a point

1728
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:45,520
um

1729
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:47,680
jim lakaski was a good friend of mine he

1730
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,359
was incredible incredible guy he did a

1731
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:51,040
lot of stuff for his country but for

1732
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:52,240
four years i could never mention his

1733
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:53,280
name because i had a gentleman's

1734
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,559
agreement agreement with him that i

1735
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,720
would never reveal his identity and even

1736
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,160
though i was taking shots all the time

1737
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,480
and people were you know oh the you know

1738
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,839
that was always referred to him as the

1739
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:03,200
number one rocket scientist in the

1740
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:05,119
government i never revealed his name

1741
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:06,480
until he finally came out in public and

1742
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,079
revealed it himself

1743
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,559
um i'm not that kind of guy you know i

1744
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:11,839
don't

1745
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:17,200
have integrity

1746
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,359
well but for me it's all i have it's all

1747
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,640
i mean you die with it right either you

1748
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:22,000
have it or you don't and if you don't

1749
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,200
then you know

1750
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:25,280
you're going to live a sorry life but

1751
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:27,280
i it means a lot to me so there's a lot

1752
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,200
of people that i need to to to get their

1753
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,000
input in before i put pen to paper on

1754
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:36,400
their part it's just not fair um

1755
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,599
fortunately

1756
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,280
i've gotten a lot of people to to say

1757
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,440
yes um there are still a few people that

1758
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,680
say no i don't i don't want that in the

1759
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,599
book and i have to respect that so i

1760
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,599
have to figure out ways to you know

1761
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:50,000
provide the information it's my my my

1762
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,280
one shot

1763
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,200
to state the record and set the record

1764
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,680
straight you know and all this

1765
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:57,280
naysayers of people out there just

1766
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,799
wasting time spinning in circles and

1767
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,200
creating you know artificial drama

1768
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:03,040
it's it's important that this book be

1769
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,880
able to address any and all the concerns

1770
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,040
that people have and and do it in a

1771
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,520
succinct way and and that way people can

1772
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,960
look at and say okay

1773
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:12,799
the conversation now starts here this

1774
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,520
book my hope is that this book

1775
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:17,440
if this book is successful we'll never

1776
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,799
be able to have anybody put the genie

1777
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,799
back in the bottle people will always be

1778
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:22,240
able to look back at this book and say

1779
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,640
this was the moment that these facts

1780
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,799
were established we cannot go back we

1781
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,240
had there's only one direction and

1782
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:30,079
that's forward it might not be very fast

1783
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:31,440
but there's no putting the genie there's

1784
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,839
no putting the cat back in the bag it is

1785
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,280
here's where it goes

1786
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,359
uh where we start and so that's what i'm

1787
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:39,040
trying to achieve

1788
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:40,640
it's a lot of pressure man i don't i

1789
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:44,079
don't know how how you do that but um

1790
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:45,119
i'm

1791
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,640
very uh

1792
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,400
very thankful that you're doing that so

1793
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,680
so thank you very much thank you for

1794
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:51,200
what you guys are doing and by the way

1795
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,559
jay thank you for

1796
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,640
for being there for some people uh you

1797
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,480
know who may be in a somewhat uh

1798
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:57,839
vulnerable state

1799
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,480
uh we need good people um you know

1800
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,160
especially our men and women in uniform

1801
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:04,559
have been through a lot over the years

1802
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:06,640
and being able to to provide some sort

1803
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:08,160
of support doesn't matter what that

1804
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,680
support is and by the way this is not

1805
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:11,760
just to you jay but anybody out there

1806
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:14,240
who helps our first responders um get

1807
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:15,680
through stuff whether you're a nurse or

1808
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,880
you're a teacher or you're a

1809
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,559
psychotherapist or whatever whatever you

1810
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,480
are i want to thank you very much for

1811
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:22,079
your service and what you're doing for

1812
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:23,680
our folks and our fine men and women in

1813
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,200
uniform

1814
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:26,799
because you know they have a voice too

1815
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:28,960
and sometimes you know

1816
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,599
their voices have been been been quieted

1817
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:33,440
prematurely so i want to thank you for

1818
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,440
that and sean of course you and your

1819
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,200
incredible audience as always

1820
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,760
for having this conversation um

1821
01:01:42,870 --> 01:01:41,359
you know if there's ever any questions

1822
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,880
you have you know i'm always available i

1823
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:44,559
try to make myself available as much as

1824
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:45,760
possible it's definitely putting some

1825
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:47,680
age on me because i'm i'm burning the

1826
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,520
candle on both ends but

1827
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:51,359
i think it's worth it you know let's

1828
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:52,640
let's let's continue to have the

1829
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,079
conversations

1830
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:56,240
um yeah thank you thank you very much uh

1831
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:58,960
again i appreciate your time and i got

1832
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,119
your back and we all got your back so

1833
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,680
anything you ever need you let us know

1834
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:06,000
well appreciate it i got your back so

1835
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:07,520
you know this is we're a team and we're

1836
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,400
going to continue pushing forward and uh

1837
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,000
you know um

1838
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,000
look any anything worth doing is is

1839
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,799
usually isn't very easy right um

1840
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:18,480
if that's very easy we wouldn't be here

1841
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:21,680
yeah right right so it's a it's okay uh

1842
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,920
we're i think we we have come very very

1843
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,319
far in a very short period of time and

1844
01:02:31,430 --> 01:02:29,039
as i look forward and over the horizon

1845
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,440
it's very bright i think um i think our

1846
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,119
future in this topic is very bright and

1847
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,640
i think we're going to continue to learn

1848
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,240
and understand together as long as we

1849
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,400
have the courage to continue to

1850
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:40,559
to to

1851
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,119
to ask the ask the hard questions and

1852
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:45,039
and have the grace to to accept that

1853
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,720
there are some things that we're frankly

1854
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:48,640
not going to have answers to quite yet

1855
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,359
but let's keep asking the questions

1856
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,599
i do have one more question and is there

1857
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:56,319
any questions that you've ever wanted

1858
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:59,440
somebody to ask you and just nobody is

1859
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,640
asked it yet

1860
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,720
and if so what's the answer

1861
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:04,480
so

1862
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,520
well

1863
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,880
it'd be a lot easier if i didn't have a

1864
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,079
clearance

1865
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,079
you know there's a lot of questions i

1866
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,799
would love to i mean you know

1867
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,079
um

1868
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,559
no but you know what i i i'll tell you

1869
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,160
that there are people that are still

1870
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,319
working in the shadows um very hard

1871
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,319
right now there are people in congress

1872
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,960
and congressional staff there's people

1873
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,440
in the department of defense

1874
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,119
um that are working very hard on this

1875
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:31,680
topic then there's a support group of

1876
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,720
people that are considered like a

1877
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,559
support group that are also engaged in

1878
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,160
this topic and by the way they're active

1879
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,280
on twitter so you'd be surprised who on

1880
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:41,599
twitter actually happens to be you know

1881
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,079
fairly senior and and actually working

1882
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,400
this topic um there are individuals that

1883
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,240
i'm aware of that have started to get

1884
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,480
engaged on social media

1885
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,839
because they've they've seen the real

1886
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,520
data and they know it's important and

1887
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,200
they're trying to help the cause with of

1888
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,200
course not trying to get in trouble but

1889
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,920
um you know it's it's it's working it's

1890
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:01,440
it's it's happening and it's happening

1891
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:03,200
because of folks like you and you guys

1892
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,799
doing what you do

1893
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:06,079
anything you want to say before we get

1894
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:07,440
out of here

1895
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,760
i'm i'm just really thankful for this

1896
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:11,440
conversation i think it's it's been

1897
01:04:15,670 --> 01:04:12,400
really helpful

1898
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:15,680
it's it's reassuring to to to

1899
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,920
be in this kind of bewildering

1900
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:19,359
environment that we find in the news

1901
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:22,079
cycle these days and be able to to find

1902
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,920
a center point with this conversation

1903
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:25,680
and knowing that it's going to move

1904
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:27,680
ahead regardless and so it's great to

1905
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:30,240
hear from you today luke thanks guys

1906
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,680
my pleasure listen let me leave you with

1907
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,280
this humans are going to do what humans

1908
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,280
do okay we always have and we always

1909
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:36,640
will

1910
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,720
we have to learn to do better

1911
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:40,480
we have to if we really want to unlock

1912
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,400
this mystery we have really got to learn

1913
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,920
how to work together

1914
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,359
um you know people are pointing to

1915
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,039
ukraine and things like right now in

1916
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:49,119
russia but you just have to get on

1917
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,720
social media and see that we even even

1918
01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,520
in this topic we we eat each other alive

1919
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,119
it's it's it's disgusting and it's

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01:04:59,029 --> 01:04:57,119
terrible it's our human nature you know

1921
01:05:02,549 --> 01:04:59,039
it is it is what holds us back as a

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01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,559
species is what holds our evolution back

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01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:04,079
um

1924
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,680
you know so i would suggest that you

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01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,440
know to you and your audience please

1926
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:09,119
have the courage to continue to ask the

1927
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:11,760
questions you're asking um

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01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,720
you know

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01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,640
please do your due diligence be very

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01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,559
careful when someone says my way is a

1931
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:18,960
way of thinking or you know try to find

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01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:20,799
out what people's

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01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:23,680
motivation is you know um

1934
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,480
everybody has opinions but you know not

1935
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:28,720
not all opinions are necessarily

1936
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,039
i hate to say valid but but some of them

1937
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:33,200
aren't you know some of them are just

1938
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,119
people trying to to seek attention for

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01:05:38,309 --> 01:05:37,280
themselves and so please be very careful

1940
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:38,319
of that

1941
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:39,440
yeah

1942
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,240
well thanks again thank you so much

1943
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,160
guys my honor and pleasure as always

1944
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:45,839
anytime love doing it anytime have a

1945
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,960
good one

1946
01:05:50,789 --> 01:05:48,319
all right guys take care

1947
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,799
see you again

1948
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:52,319
great conversation

1949
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:53,920
wow yeah

1950
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:57,680
golly that was great um

1951
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:00,000
it sure did um thanks everybody in the

1952
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:02,000
chat thanks for everybody that's those

1953
01:06:05,670 --> 01:06:03,039
here today

1954
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:05,680
thanks especially to lou alzando

1955
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:08,559
and what he's done in the last years

1956
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,599
um it's it's you know people talk a lot

1957
01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,359
about strength in numbers

1958
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:15,359
and i think that there's that there's a

1959
01:06:19,349 --> 01:06:17,359
lot to that and i think the overall

1960
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,359
community you know there's there's a

1961
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,079
feeling building and there's progress

1962
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:24,240
um and then there are people like that

1963
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,799
that have had so much on their shoulders

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01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:28,079
um

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01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:29,440
during the last

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01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:31,200
decades even before people knew about

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01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:34,079
their work and people continue to be as

1968
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:35,599
he was saying in the shadows with this

1969
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:38,079
kind of work behind the scenes and

1970
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,200
um

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01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:41,200
yeah

1972
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,520
to me it's important to know that people

1973
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,960
who are out and put their face on the

1974
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:46,880
camera or do all this stuff behind the

1975
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,960
scenes it's important to remember that

1976
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,119
um they're human beings with their own

1977
01:06:54,789 --> 01:06:53,119
um you know trials and tribulations that

1978
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:54,799
they're going through and when they put

1979
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:56,400
something on their on their back like

1980
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,559
this and and try to do it um you know

1981
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:02,720
just remember that you

1982
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,280
this is a real person you know so when

1983
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:06,880
people go out there and take shots with

1984
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,280
absolutely no evidence or proof

1985
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,839
um of anything like that and just trying

1986
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:13,440
to chop people down that are doing good

1987
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:14,559
stuff like

1988
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:17,920
um think twice you know um

1989
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,319
i i agree i think we were talking we

1990
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,520
were talking the other day um briefly um

1991
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,720
about

1992
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,119
how you know within the subject of

1993
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:30,000
anomalous phenomena and the paranormal

1994
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,760
ufos

1995
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,079
entities that seem to be

1996
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,240
more technologically capable

1997
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,039
than us by possibly centuries if not

1998
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,039
millennia you know

1999
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:43,359
on these unknowable mysteries there

2000
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:45,680
often seems to be a tendency for people

2001
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:46,640
to

2002
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:53,280
in that particular basket

2003
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,799
do you know what i mean like

2004
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:56,720
we've talked about it a number of times

2005
01:08:01,510 --> 01:08:00,079
and you know it's it seems that that

2006
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,520
people whether they're conscious of it

2007
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,000
or not sometimes they

2008
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,920
they might take that

2009
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:07,680
because they're maybe not allowed to be

2010
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,960
frustrated um at work or frustrated

2011
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,720
within the context of their religion

2012
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:14,640
it's their mental punching bag which

2013
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,440
i've been

2014
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:17,839
doing as well you know sure um they

2015
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:20,560
can't get mad at at a deity so they'll

2016
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,159
get mad at the big mysteries and then

2017
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:24,480
sometimes there's a kick the dog element

2018
01:08:29,189 --> 01:08:27,359
where it filters down to other people

2019
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,199
just looking at the same mysteries and

2020
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,719
that have just as big questions as

2021
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:33,120
anybody else yeah and um

2022
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:35,120
the one thing i really uh one of the

2023
01:08:39,990 --> 01:08:37,759
things i really love about him and and

2024
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:40,000
you is just like that the mystery is

2025
01:08:44,789 --> 01:08:42,799
still there like you don't

2026
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,799
you know um admitting that you don't

2027
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,640
know what it is we're dealing with is

2028
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:48,560
not a weakness and it's but it's so

2029
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,440
tempting in this field especially to

2030
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,679
pick something you know because to not

2031
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,000
have control and to not have an answer

2032
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,560
is like the opposite of of what we're

2033
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,799
trained to do as human beings you're

2034
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,239
trained to figure out the answer and

2035
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:04,319
there's so many people just outside of

2036
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:05,199
up

2037
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,040
uap whether it be at their job or with

2038
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,880
their wife or family or whatever when

2039
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,640
they need to have an answer to something

2040
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,560
and they don't they pick one anyways

2041
01:09:17,189 --> 01:09:14,239
because that's what they feel they

2042
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:17,199
should be doing and that's not

2043
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:20,080
what you should do you should be okay

2044
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,920
with not having the answer and i feel

2045
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,000
like once you really are even as an

2046
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,759
experience here like myself you've

2047
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:27,920
experienced things uh more dramatic than

2048
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:30,799
i have but i can say that you know it's

2049
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:33,040
it's tempting for me to want to pick an

2050
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,600
answer for that experience but i can't

2051
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,880
because

2052
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:38,080
like

2053
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:39,679
there's no

2054
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:44,080
global truth to it or or known truth to

2055
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,520
it there's hints of this or hints of

2056
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,440
that and all i can do is look deep in

2057
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:49,279
myself and my own consciousness and try

2058
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,480
to grow that

2059
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,799
and and grow as a person and try to find

2060
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,880
myself in the mysteries within it and

2061
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:56,560
and maybe get closer

2062
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,840
100 and it's it's it's it's un super

2063
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:01,360
understandable

2064
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,719
why people get exhausted and frustrated

2065
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,719
trying to keep all these options in play

2066
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:08,480
and and trying to work through these

2067
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,239
these situations and it can really feel

2068
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,719
like a hall of mirrors sometimes um yeah

2069
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,880
and but um as you as he was just saying

2070
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,800
you know if we if we can avoid taking it

2071
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,080
out on each other

2072
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,880
um and

2073
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,560
and try to grow in the process like you

2074
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,560
said and then i think we'll be a lot

2075
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:26,000
better for it and we can grow in the

2076
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:27,199
days ahead

2077
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,400
yeah well

2078
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,400
well it's another another great one

2079
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,400
another great one absolutely thanks to

2080
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,520
everybody that uh is watching live and

2081
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:37,520
we'll be seeing this in the near future

2082
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:38,400
uh

2083
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,880
thank you very much um for listening to

2084
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,040
conversation and your support it means a

2085
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:44,960
lot to us and

2086
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:47,199
where can people find you

2087
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:48,960
um they can find me

2088
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,679
at the experiencer group.com for

2089
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,679
experiencers that might be looking to

2090
01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,600
have community in conversation with

2091
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,760
other people that have had anomalous

2092
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,840
experiences of any and all kinds they

2093
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,199
can also find

2094
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,520
our group on twitter at

2095
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,640
for experiencers they can also find my

2096
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,640
personal account at

2097
01:11:13,430 --> 01:11:10,400
j a y c

2098
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,440
king 78 i think it is phone number

2099
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:15,280
address

2100
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:17,199
maybe i'll stay away from that this time

2101
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,800
around all right

2102
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,400
but maybe you know maybe i can come up

2103
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,400
with a 1-800 number for later we'll do a

2104
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:24,960
party line thing you know that could be

2105
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:27,679
fun i could see that being fun yeah

2106
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,960
but

2107
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,960
debate the pit the whole thing with

2108
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,880
pineapple on pizza we could just go at

2109
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,320
it for hours

2110
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,920
oh yeah thanks so much for the

2111
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:38,000
conversation thanks for i like i love

2112
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,679
doing these conversations with you sean

2113
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,280
and yeah me too you know we've we've

2114
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,040
been developing such a nice friendship

2115
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:44,880
just through the act of

2116
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:47,679
of of the the act of doing together yes

2117
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:50,960
it's awesome i love it man it is you do

2118
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,560
and i love you brother

2119
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,159
i love you brother see you soon all

2120
01:12:07,550 --> 01:11:55,840
right peace out